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the ufo phenomenon either

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military people who you know claim that

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shiny concentric circles that caused a

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extremely difficult to bear hello

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everyone welcome to the show

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i'm martin willis your host today is a

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different kind of program

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if you haven't heard us before and this

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is the first show for some of you as

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we are now on the affiliate all one

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every friday night at 8 pm eastern

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in theory at that time i should be in

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the chat room to interact with you and

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answer questions

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it's a special show today where there's

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no news in the beginning like we usually

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but i just got back from the symposium

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on official scientific investigations

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of uap slash ufos in north carolina

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this show will be a series of short clip

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interviews that i did on location

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i couldn't fit all of them in an hour

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future podcasts it was a little noisy

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i want to talk a little bit first of all

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about kent

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center who put this together was his

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brainchild what a nice man with a great

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and he did a tremendous job the speakers

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i guess you have to have that in this

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listening to this to try to get to the

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the same theme our website is

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it's full of interesting blogs and

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articles we have an active forum

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that thank you peggy you're doing a

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with the ufo news roundup that's it for

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i'm with kent center how you doing ken

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doing real well today how you doing

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great uh nice job

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seeing your video right and you're on a

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decide to put this together can you kind

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uh yeah i've got a multiple myeloma with

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is everyone get this done and then i'll

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so you decided this was and and first of

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all i want to say that i'm really sorry

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what he knew and

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a gentleman that was locked up because

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they locked him up so if he ever got out

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didn't like the way the conference has

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come out with the extraterrestrials and

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topic to show the government what other

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countries do and how they recognize and

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it doesn't hurt anybody

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answers and they have a better

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cooperation and better research than us

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superpower and they're far more advanced

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by the government some recognition

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proof there's your proof

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highly credible people police pilots

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think the media plays a big part

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ability to ridicule when they look at

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the quality of these speakers and hear

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this event will go on

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next year i want to do one another one

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in six months

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really wow yeah i can tell by things

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i've gone to and been involved and you

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remission so i was kind of

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the race against time i was in a rush

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i feel happy i feel you know i'm able to

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accomplish that now

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yeah i'll do my chemo battle do whatever

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the next event

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got a plan now and the next one's going

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to be even a little bit more thought out

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that were there and who they were and

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dealing with those congressmen that

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should that just it's just a bad scene

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just did without the mock congress

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her talk right there

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that's the last place you want to go

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you're not going to get their help or

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get them to even think about it when

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you're sitting there bashing it

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don't if any of them do it all the

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yeah everything in the government's

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compartment lies just like the military

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that's right

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there's so much that people think the

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government knows there's so much they

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their jets chasing the craft down in

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you know yeah why would they and if they

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had this secret project

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use that secret project to go chase the

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secret project

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it just doesn't make sense you know yeah

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uh we go in with helicopters get bin

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north carolina if they used this thing

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they could have just snuck right in

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never would have been seen and never

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yeah so why use a helicopter that's a

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yeah what we can prove in black and

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white and go from there

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well thank you so much for your hard

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work i'm totally enjoying it here

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i'm with alejandro rojas at the

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symposium in north carolina how you

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doing

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good how are you i'm so glad you were

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willing to join me it's kind of fun

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seeing you here

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yeah it's a lot of fun to meet you too

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yeah so you're

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from open minds radio um for the

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listener that may not

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have heard of your show but i'm sure

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most people have as far as i know i mean

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i actually get emails

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people um quoting your show and things

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like that

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cool so how can you tell a little

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history of the show and the type of

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people you interview yeah

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the show actually started off i started

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up doing the news for

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um tim at ufo tv had a show

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uh that he did called ufo not and

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actually he wasn't the hostess buddy

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jesse was and so

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they had me come on and do the news for

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a while and there were a lot of people i

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wanted to talk to at the time i was a

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mufon

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investigator i think i was doing pr for

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mufon at the time too

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so i decided to also do my own show and

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that's where it started off and

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it's just a lot of fun because it's just

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you know there's a lot of people

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i would talk up and ask questions about

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for

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different purposes and i thought well

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why not record these phone calls because

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they're a lot of fun and i know other

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people want to hear this stuff too

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so i decided to record them and do a

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podcast with it so i started doing that

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about what year was that would you say

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2008

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i'm pretty sure so so kind of early in

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the podcasting world

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yeah i called it ufo think tank just

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because i like that still

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kind of how i think of things really you

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know

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i think that's kind of the stage we're

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at where a think tank

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is a group that gets together of uh

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educated people

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to discuss the what ifs and the data and

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where should we go and to think about

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things with the data that they have

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and it's kind of an early stage before

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things get implemented

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and i think that's kind of at a stage

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where we need to think you know as a

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society more about

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this and the best way to approach it

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which is why events like this are great

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so that's why i thought at ufo think

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tank i'm talking to some of the great

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people in this field

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about uh the field and you know

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hopefully all of us together

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including the listeners and can figure

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out where to go with this stuff

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and then eventually i started working

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for open minds and so

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i just started doing the podcast as open

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minds

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and that's a very popular yeah it's

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grown uh tremendously i use a

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thing called block talk to do the

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podcast which is i really like because

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they automate a lot of stuff

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and they've got something like 70 000

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shows and we're usually in the top 20.

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so yeah tens of thousands of listeners

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and um we're usually the number one when

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it comes to paranormal

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so and how does some how does a listener

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find your show and when does it

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come out basically we usually we

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pre-record but i usually post them

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uh two o'clock on mondays the beginning

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the news part in the end we do record

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you know just before i post it so that's

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that's

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up-to-date news and they could either go

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to openminds.tv

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or to blog talk to find it but

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openmindset tvs you got

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the easiest place to go you can hit the

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radio page and go there

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and plus openminds tv is where we have

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all the news items that we talk about so

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people can

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go look at the news as we talk about it

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i want to talk a little bit about the

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symposium so far because it's been to me

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it's been great

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yeah you know um i we just got done

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watching uh richard haynes from narcap

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and i thought that was great what do you

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think about that i mean i love it you

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know

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um i this symposium is right down the

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alley for me

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and i think yeah blisters probably would

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know that because it's very

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credible stuff it's scientists it's

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professors it's the

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direction i think we need to go

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absolutely a lot of people will say well

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we already know x y and z and they don't

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really go there

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well um maybe but the thing is that

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especially if you read

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leslie kane's book and alexander went

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who's going to be speaking here

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he really frames it well in his book

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where

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in order to move this forward we kind of

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have to be militantly agnostic

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in that to really

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get this out to the public to get the

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public thinking about it we need them to

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think about

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ufos first as a phenomena as a mystery

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and when they investigate that we'll see

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where that takes them

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for many people it takes them to not

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just the extraterrestrial hypothesis

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but to actually invest in that and say

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hey i think there's evidence that this

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is the answer

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we'll let people come to that if they

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will if you feel strongly that that's

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where the data is going to take people

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then at least get people interested in

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the topic

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and then let them find their own way to

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whatever conclusion and i think that's

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the important part

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and if we can get more and more of the

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professors and scientists

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on the mainstream involved obviously

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this event shows that they

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are interested there are people of that

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ilk that are interested

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if we can encourage that and instead of

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being a lot of people are

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really combative with that group

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and work together i think then we can

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get more involvement in that area and i

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think that

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then we could really move things forward

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i think that it was pretty interesting

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listening to

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to uh richard a few minutes ago about

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how he he

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agrees that people should get involved

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there's possible air safety

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issues and he went through all the

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different cases

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step by step and he's kind of looking

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for a grassroots

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movement too toward you know i think

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that's kind of what this this whole

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symposium

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is based on is the grassroots has to

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work

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at trying to come together and but you

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know what's funny

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and you know i'm just going to say this

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because i think that this is an issue

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and i think

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i talked with leslie kane and we talked

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a lot about this recently and that

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this symposium kind of is an example of

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how the u.s

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might go about having an official

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investigative group where it might lay

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where

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france they have it in their nasa type

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of group and chile they have it in their

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faa type of group where would we have it

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in the u.s

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uk is a demonstration of the pr issues

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that they've had

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and i think if we did have this in the

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united states there would be pr

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issues the pr issues then

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make uh someone like richard haynes be

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very afraid of using the term ufo right

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and i really have a problem with that

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because on two folds

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is that okay uap if someone asks you

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what's a uap

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you don't know what it is you're gonna

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have to say it's a ufo

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oh i see to translate it yeah so it's

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like what's a uap

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it's a ufo so you gotta go there and he

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had to explain that at the beginning of

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his time

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the other problem is is that for

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instance we asked him for

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an interview i've done this before and

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had he wants him to come to conferences

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he doesn't want to get involved with ufo

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stuff at the same time he's here

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speaking at a ufo conference and he was

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he was bummed out that people he was

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visibly

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a little uh disappointed that people

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hadn't read his

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their report on one of the ufo cases

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well if you don't want to associate with

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ufo people and

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um then they're not and you're not

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communicating with them how are they

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going to know

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that you've got a report they're not

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going to know that and not only that

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it's

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treating people who are already

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interested in the topic like they're

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second class somehow or they're not

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as important as others so i think i

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understand

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the issue with the pr around the idea of

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ufos but

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i think the the bigger more difficult

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task which

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people try to skirt is that we've got to

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change the perceptions of ufo

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the term itself and i know that's

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difficult but i think

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if we stand strong and say you know

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we're interested in ufos we're not shy

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about that and so are a lot of credible

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people

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yeah i think we can change those

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perceptions and i think it's happening

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over time

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i was thinking that he would never be on

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my show in general because it's called

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podcast ufo yeah the words right in it

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yeah so we can't have these uh

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kind of battles internal with ourselves

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and i think that you know i talked to

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nick pope about this

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last week because he felt that uh the uk

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gave in to the pressures of the pr

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problems and that's why they closed

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their ufo desk mostly

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when like he says they should have just

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stood strong like he does

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and face it you know he's not afraid to

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say i investigate ufos but a lot of

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mainstream

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stuff as well and he's interviewed on a

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lot of defense topics that are

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mainstream that aren't fringe

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and it hasn't hurt him because i think

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he takes that strong stance

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if the united states or if there was a

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serious ufo group

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they would have to bear the weight of

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that pr problem but we do that

565
00:18:33,750 --> 00:18:31,600
you know at open minds i'm sure you do

566
00:18:36,310 --> 00:18:33,760
that where we get critics on

567
00:18:38,150 --> 00:18:36,320
either side of any issue because people

568
00:18:40,630 --> 00:18:38,160
are very passionate about it

569
00:18:41,669 --> 00:18:40,640
but that's okay you know that's fine we

570
00:18:43,669 --> 00:18:41,679
just uh

571
00:18:45,510 --> 00:18:43,679
push forward and we know there are a lot

572
00:18:46,470 --> 00:18:45,520
of people who are and even those critics

573
00:18:48,310 --> 00:18:46,480
come back

574
00:18:49,590 --> 00:18:48,320
every day so they're looking at our site

575
00:18:52,150 --> 00:18:49,600
every day they're reading our stuff

576
00:18:53,430 --> 00:18:52,160
every day and they're not critical of

577
00:18:54,789 --> 00:18:53,440
everything sometimes they're doing

578
00:18:56,950 --> 00:18:54,799
we're doing stuff that is of their

579
00:18:59,190 --> 00:18:56,960
opinion but the point is that

580
00:19:01,510 --> 00:18:59,200
you can't shy away from that kind of

581
00:19:03,590 --> 00:19:01,520
stuff especially if you're getting into

582
00:19:05,270 --> 00:19:03,600
a field that is there are a lot of

583
00:19:05,990 --> 00:19:05,280
strong opinions you just got to stay

584
00:19:09,350 --> 00:19:06,000
strong and push

585
00:19:11,750 --> 00:19:09,360
forward now what do you think about the

586
00:19:12,549 --> 00:19:11,760
lack of press here i'm a little bit

587
00:19:15,750 --> 00:19:12,559
surprised

588
00:19:18,870 --> 00:19:15,760
well there has been some press but

589
00:19:21,350 --> 00:19:18,880
uh i know that that can be difficult

590
00:19:22,710 --> 00:19:21,360
and i don't know how the press was

591
00:19:25,750 --> 00:19:22,720
handled here

592
00:19:28,950 --> 00:19:25,760
um so i know that you know

593
00:19:31,990 --> 00:19:28,960
um over the years we've learned about

594
00:19:32,630 --> 00:19:32,000
sending press releases uh often and to

595
00:19:34,470 --> 00:19:32,640
who

596
00:19:35,830 --> 00:19:34,480
and it takes a long time to build that

597
00:19:39,590 --> 00:19:35,840
sort of thing

598
00:19:42,950 --> 00:19:39,600
so uh and you really have to emphasize

599
00:19:46,070 --> 00:19:42,960
and figure out how to concisely

600
00:19:48,470 --> 00:19:46,080
communicate why you know things are

601
00:19:49,350 --> 00:19:48,480
this is important and how it's different

602
00:19:51,510 --> 00:19:49,360
yeah let's say

603
00:19:53,830 --> 00:19:51,520
from the citizens hearing because

604
00:19:54,950 --> 00:19:53,840
certainly a lot of the speakers here

605
00:19:56,789 --> 00:19:54,960
they weren't they didn't feel

606
00:19:58,470 --> 00:19:56,799
comfortable with you know speaking at

607
00:20:01,909 --> 00:19:58,480
the citizens hearing they didn't feel

608
00:20:03,669 --> 00:20:01,919
uh because there were some aspects of

609
00:20:07,110 --> 00:20:03,679
that they felt were incredible

610
00:20:09,510 --> 00:20:07,120
the e.t yeah going all the way to the et

611
00:20:10,470 --> 00:20:09,520
thing so i guess that's some of the

612
00:20:12,870 --> 00:20:10,480
challenge

613
00:20:13,909 --> 00:20:12,880
luckily there's been some local news but

614
00:20:15,669 --> 00:20:13,919
uh

615
00:20:17,830 --> 00:20:15,679
so it's hard to say what the root of

616
00:20:19,750 --> 00:20:17,840
that is was there not enough outreach to

617
00:20:19,990 --> 00:20:19,760
get out to the public or was the public

618
00:20:22,789 --> 00:20:20,000
or

619
00:20:23,909 --> 00:20:22,799
the media just not interested yeah it's

620
00:20:26,310 --> 00:20:23,919
it's hard to say

621
00:20:27,510 --> 00:20:26,320
yeah well as our listeners can hear the

622
00:20:28,549 --> 00:20:27,520
crowds coming back in it's getting a

623
00:20:30,549 --> 00:20:28,559
little noisy

624
00:20:31,909 --> 00:20:30,559
so thanks so much i really appreciate it

625
00:20:33,350 --> 00:20:31,919
yeah hopefully a pleasure

626
00:20:35,190 --> 00:20:33,360
hopefully uh the listeners who haven't

627
00:20:35,909 --> 00:20:35,200
checked your show out will thank you

628
00:20:37,590 --> 00:20:35,919
very much

629
00:20:42,390 --> 00:20:37,600
all right we'll have you on my show soon

630
00:20:49,029 --> 00:20:45,830
i'm with xavier poisson from

631
00:20:52,230 --> 00:20:51,430
which actually stands for unidentified

632
00:20:55,029 --> 00:20:52,240
aerospace

633
00:20:56,149 --> 00:20:55,039
phenomena task force is it essentially

634
00:20:59,750 --> 00:20:56,159
part of what we have

635
00:21:04,230 --> 00:20:59,760
a nasa or similar yes it's a zakness

636
00:21:07,110 --> 00:21:04,240
national french space agency is

637
00:21:08,149 --> 00:21:07,120
more or less the same attribution as

638
00:21:12,149 --> 00:21:08,159
nasa

639
00:21:15,510 --> 00:21:12,159
except that we don't we don't

640
00:21:17,990 --> 00:21:15,520
address the aeronautics the

641
00:21:20,390 --> 00:21:18,000
subject we don't address we only address

642
00:21:25,350 --> 00:21:20,400
space

643
00:21:28,630 --> 00:21:25,360
subjects only rockets and uh satellites

644
00:21:31,990 --> 00:21:28,640
and how do you how does france

645
00:21:34,630 --> 00:21:32,000
view the ufo issue

646
00:21:35,350 --> 00:21:34,640
you you take that in a scientific yeah

647
00:21:38,549 --> 00:21:35,360
approach

648
00:21:41,669 --> 00:21:38,559
is the goal of the japan is

649
00:21:43,430 --> 00:21:41,679
to analyze the ribs on the report

650
00:21:46,149 --> 00:21:43,440
sightings

651
00:21:48,710 --> 00:21:46,159
coming from the french population and to

652
00:21:51,430 --> 00:21:48,720
try to find explanation

653
00:21:52,070 --> 00:21:51,440
if if we can that's good if we cannot we

654
00:21:55,190 --> 00:21:52,080
classify

655
00:21:58,870 --> 00:21:55,200
it that as unidentified

656
00:22:01,990 --> 00:21:58,880
but we don't enter the debate

657
00:22:04,630 --> 00:22:02,000
of the origin of this means

658
00:22:06,149 --> 00:22:04,640
where it might be from yeah so the

659
00:22:09,909 --> 00:22:06,159
question for us is not

660
00:22:12,789 --> 00:22:09,919
alien or not the question is explain

661
00:22:14,070 --> 00:22:12,799
identified or not you know that's such a

662
00:22:16,310 --> 00:22:14,080
simple concept

663
00:22:18,390 --> 00:22:16,320
yeah it seems like the united states

664
00:22:20,950 --> 00:22:18,400
should be able to swallow that one

665
00:22:22,310 --> 00:22:20,960
just trying to discover what it is that

666
00:22:24,470 --> 00:22:22,320
is out there instead of

667
00:22:25,350 --> 00:22:24,480
trying to put who's riding in it or

668
00:22:27,510 --> 00:22:25,360
who's

669
00:22:29,270 --> 00:22:27,520
behind the wheel so to speak when you

670
00:22:32,789 --> 00:22:29,280
were talking i saw that you have

671
00:22:36,870 --> 00:22:32,799
a uh citing report rating

672
00:22:40,230 --> 00:22:39,510
the rating you how you rate your rate oh

673
00:22:49,029 --> 00:22:40,240
the rating

674
00:22:52,789 --> 00:22:49,039
because uh we have two

675
00:22:55,990 --> 00:22:52,799
two scales first scale is a strangeness

676
00:22:58,070 --> 00:22:56,000
of the the case for example is it close

677
00:23:00,710 --> 00:22:58,080
encounter is it only

678
00:23:02,070 --> 00:23:00,720
light in the sky that's the level of the

679
00:23:05,430 --> 00:23:02,080
strangeness

680
00:23:08,870 --> 00:23:05,440
on one way on the other way

681
00:23:12,149 --> 00:23:08,880
is the consistency of the

682
00:23:15,510 --> 00:23:12,159
the report of the witnesses yes

683
00:23:21,029 --> 00:23:18,710
it's not the cons the not

684
00:23:22,230 --> 00:23:21,039
only the reliable reliability of the

685
00:23:25,190 --> 00:23:22,240
witness we don't

686
00:23:26,070 --> 00:23:25,200
we don't try to rate the witness itself

687
00:23:30,310 --> 00:23:26,080
no

688
00:23:34,230 --> 00:23:33,270
are there one witness or several one

689
00:23:38,070 --> 00:23:34,240
witness a bit

690
00:23:41,590 --> 00:23:38,080
of course is weaker than several

691
00:23:45,029 --> 00:23:41,600
uh as have we photographed uh

692
00:23:48,390 --> 00:23:45,039
which evidence have we about uh

693
00:23:49,750 --> 00:23:48,400
direction about are there prints or

694
00:23:53,269 --> 00:23:49,760
something like that

695
00:23:56,630 --> 00:23:53,279
that's a consistency and we

696
00:24:00,630 --> 00:23:56,640
we request the bigger consistency

697
00:24:03,990 --> 00:24:00,640
for stranger events

698
00:24:09,830 --> 00:24:04,000
if somebody says that flying saucer was

699
00:24:15,029 --> 00:24:13,110
if possible to witnesses or photographs

700
00:24:18,230 --> 00:24:15,039
or something like that

701
00:24:20,390 --> 00:24:18,240
and you have basically transparency

702
00:24:23,110 --> 00:24:20,400
on your organization we try to have the

703
00:24:26,710 --> 00:24:23,120
maximum transparency

704
00:24:30,470 --> 00:24:26,720
the best example is that we we publish

705
00:24:33,350 --> 00:24:30,480
the genuine report of the

706
00:24:34,630 --> 00:24:33,360
witness except the fact that we withdraw

707
00:24:36,310 --> 00:24:34,640
his name

708
00:24:37,990 --> 00:24:36,320
in such a way that the witness will not

709
00:24:40,710 --> 00:24:38,000
be annoyed by

710
00:24:41,830 --> 00:24:40,720
so we we we publish it with the same

711
00:24:44,870 --> 00:24:41,840
words with the

712
00:24:45,830 --> 00:24:44,880
exactly the genuine uh and with our

713
00:24:49,510 --> 00:24:45,840
conclusion so

714
00:24:52,870 --> 00:24:49,520
if the public uh

715
00:24:55,510 --> 00:24:52,880
wants to check our what

716
00:24:58,470 --> 00:24:55,520
every job the job we have done he has

717
00:25:01,830 --> 00:24:58,480
everything he has a genuine

718
00:25:04,950 --> 00:25:01,840
report he has uh the the

719
00:25:08,470 --> 00:25:04,960
for example the weather report he has a

720
00:25:12,630 --> 00:25:08,480
satellite forecast report we we

721
00:25:16,230 --> 00:25:12,640
put everything we have already

722
00:25:18,149 --> 00:25:16,240
we really want to show everything we

723
00:25:21,750 --> 00:25:18,159
publish our methods

724
00:25:24,870 --> 00:25:21,760
and so if you

725
00:25:27,909 --> 00:25:24,880
if anybody want to check

726
00:25:28,630 --> 00:25:27,919
our job how it's possible yes everything

727
00:25:30,870 --> 00:25:28,640
to do that

728
00:25:32,870 --> 00:25:30,880
that's right it all makes perfect sense

729
00:25:35,909 --> 00:25:32,880
to me when you were showing

730
00:25:38,710 --> 00:25:35,919
a couple of the case situations

731
00:25:40,310 --> 00:25:38,720
you showed the chinese lanterns they're

732
00:25:43,909 --> 00:25:40,320
a pain in the butt aren't they

733
00:25:46,310 --> 00:25:43,919
that's i'm sure you get a lot of

734
00:25:47,110 --> 00:25:46,320
calls about them sure yeah yeah yeah

735
00:25:51,269 --> 00:25:47,120
every every

736
00:25:53,510 --> 00:25:51,279
monday morning worldwide yeah

737
00:25:54,830 --> 00:25:53,520
can't do much except when it's raining

738
00:25:57,669 --> 00:25:54,840
all of us friends

739
00:26:02,870 --> 00:25:57,679
that's yeah

740
00:26:10,870 --> 00:26:07,110
because it shows how people

741
00:26:13,269 --> 00:26:10,880
behave in front of a strange phenomenon

742
00:26:14,630 --> 00:26:13,279
so it's very interesting for a psycho

743
00:26:17,590 --> 00:26:14,640
sociologist

744
00:26:18,470 --> 00:26:17,600
yes because they have a very good

745
00:26:22,230 --> 00:26:18,480
example of

746
00:26:25,190 --> 00:26:22,240
a reaction of the of people in front of

747
00:26:27,110 --> 00:26:25,200
something which was not known can you

748
00:26:27,990 --> 00:26:27,120
just briefly touch on a couple of the

749
00:26:30,710 --> 00:26:28,000
sightings that

750
00:26:31,909 --> 00:26:30,720
were really unexplained and and really

751
00:26:32,710 --> 00:26:31,919
i'm trying to remember which ones you

752
00:26:36,950 --> 00:26:32,720
showed i'm sorry

753
00:26:40,070 --> 00:26:36,960
i showed uh i show i've shown

754
00:26:43,110 --> 00:26:40,080
ten lights above the church

755
00:26:45,990 --> 00:26:43,120
that's quite strange

756
00:26:46,549 --> 00:26:46,000
but for example on this case on the the

757
00:26:49,830 --> 00:26:46,559
first time

758
00:26:54,390 --> 00:26:49,840
the witness reported uh

759
00:26:57,909 --> 00:26:54,400
she described a kind of vessel

760
00:27:01,350 --> 00:26:57,919
with 10 lights

761
00:27:06,149 --> 00:27:03,909
then after that we asked her have you

762
00:27:07,669 --> 00:27:06,159
really seen the vessel or on these

763
00:27:10,710 --> 00:27:07,679
lights

764
00:27:11,590 --> 00:27:10,720
okay she don't i've seen the light okay

765
00:27:15,029 --> 00:27:11,600
so but

766
00:27:17,990 --> 00:27:15,039
it's it's very important because the

767
00:27:19,269 --> 00:27:18,000
level of strangeness is not same between

768
00:27:22,630 --> 00:27:19,279
lights

769
00:27:24,789 --> 00:27:22,640
and a solid

770
00:27:26,149 --> 00:27:24,799
but there were some reports with crafts

771
00:27:29,590 --> 00:27:26,159
and yeah and

772
00:27:30,710 --> 00:27:29,600
it's very difficult for us to or objects

773
00:27:33,590 --> 00:27:30,720
i should say in our crafts

774
00:27:34,070 --> 00:27:33,600
yes but we have chinese lanterns we have

775
00:27:37,029 --> 00:27:34,080
many

776
00:27:38,789 --> 00:27:37,039
reports of chinese lanterns where

777
00:27:41,029 --> 00:27:38,799
witnesses describe

778
00:27:41,830 --> 00:27:41,039
spacecraft they actually see they think

779
00:27:43,750 --> 00:27:41,840
they see something

780
00:27:45,750 --> 00:27:43,760
yeah but it's it's a thing which is well

781
00:27:48,149 --> 00:27:45,760
known in psychology in a

782
00:27:50,070 --> 00:27:48,159
cognitive psychology that's the word

783
00:27:53,669 --> 00:27:50,080
correct

784
00:27:57,110 --> 00:27:53,679
it's well known that when you see a

785
00:28:00,549 --> 00:27:57,120
set of lights in a dark

786
00:28:02,630 --> 00:28:00,559
background your brain creates yes

787
00:28:04,230 --> 00:28:02,640
a shape well it's like i've heard your

788
00:28:06,310 --> 00:28:04,240
brain wants to create

789
00:28:07,909 --> 00:28:06,320
faces out of things when you're looking

790
00:28:10,630 --> 00:28:07,919
around i mean so it's

791
00:28:12,149 --> 00:28:10,640
very well known by psycho psychologist

792
00:28:15,909 --> 00:28:12,159
so

793
00:28:20,870 --> 00:28:15,919
it's a part of the process of the

794
00:28:23,990 --> 00:28:20,880
analyze of the report case when

795
00:28:25,669 --> 00:28:24,000
awareness describe for example the

796
00:28:29,110 --> 00:28:25,679
triangular vehicle

797
00:28:32,470 --> 00:28:29,120
with the one lights at each edge

798
00:28:34,389 --> 00:28:32,480
we translate that which translate it as

799
00:28:36,070 --> 00:28:34,399
three lights now how about daylight

800
00:28:37,990 --> 00:28:36,080
sightings during the day

801
00:28:41,909 --> 00:28:38,000
we have we have we have plenty we have

802
00:28:45,830 --> 00:28:43,669
because you know that there are many

803
00:28:46,389 --> 00:28:45,840
shapes yes there are many shapes of

804
00:28:48,870 --> 00:28:46,399
balloon

805
00:28:49,590 --> 00:28:48,880
yes we were talking about a helium shark

806
00:28:51,669 --> 00:28:49,600
that someone

807
00:28:53,830 --> 00:28:51,679
yeah they are shark yeah they are mickey

808
00:28:57,029 --> 00:28:53,840
they are yeah

809
00:29:00,310 --> 00:28:57,039
and sometimes there are there's

810
00:29:00,950 --> 00:29:00,320
the it's a bunch of balloons yeah very

811
00:29:02,549 --> 00:29:00,960
bizarre

812
00:29:04,470 --> 00:29:02,559
especially if it's like a little bit

813
00:29:06,070 --> 00:29:04,480
dark you just see it yes and there are

814
00:29:08,230 --> 00:29:06,080
several colors and it's

815
00:29:09,750 --> 00:29:08,240
more or less shining and it moves with

816
00:29:13,029 --> 00:29:09,760
the sun and

817
00:29:16,070 --> 00:29:13,039
it makes very strong very

818
00:29:18,870 --> 00:29:16,080
strange a solar balloon i've never seen

819
00:29:20,950 --> 00:29:18,880
that before it's like a tube

820
00:29:22,310 --> 00:29:20,960
yeah it sends also the solar balloons

821
00:29:24,230 --> 00:29:22,320
that's for cigar

822
00:29:27,430 --> 00:29:24,240
it makes a cigar and it's pretty big

823
00:29:30,470 --> 00:29:27,440
right yeah yeah

824
00:29:34,389 --> 00:29:30,480
yeah yeah so all during all this

825
00:29:37,830 --> 00:29:34,399
uh for all this daylight uh observation

826
00:29:39,029 --> 00:29:37,840
the key issue is the the direction and

827
00:29:41,510 --> 00:29:39,039
the speed

828
00:29:42,950 --> 00:29:41,520
so the first check we do is check with

829
00:29:46,070 --> 00:29:42,960
us check with the wind

830
00:29:47,029 --> 00:29:46,080
yeah and we have generally quite too

831
00:29:50,549 --> 00:29:47,039
clear

832
00:29:52,950 --> 00:29:50,559
we don't to consider too much shape

833
00:29:54,710 --> 00:29:52,960
which is very strange for the winners

834
00:29:57,350 --> 00:29:54,720
but for us the shape has

835
00:29:58,870 --> 00:29:57,360
no importance wow the important thing is

836
00:30:00,549 --> 00:29:58,880
how it moves

837
00:30:03,830 --> 00:30:00,559
if it moves straight or more or less

838
00:30:07,110 --> 00:30:05,590
the shape is not very important because

839
00:30:07,590 --> 00:30:07,120
you can make the balloon the shape you

840
00:30:10,149 --> 00:30:07,600
want

841
00:30:11,350 --> 00:30:10,159
so yeah yeah well thank you so much it's

842
00:30:13,669 --> 00:30:11,360
been a real pleasure

843
00:30:15,269 --> 00:30:13,679
and um i hope you have a nice safe trip

844
00:30:19,430 --> 00:30:15,279
back home to france thank you

845
00:30:22,549 --> 00:30:21,590
so i'm with gary how you doing gary very

846
00:30:24,230 --> 00:30:22,559
well thank you

847
00:30:25,909 --> 00:30:24,240
we had an interesting conversation i

848
00:30:26,470 --> 00:30:25,919
thought the other night at the meet and

849
00:30:28,950 --> 00:30:26,480
greet

850
00:30:30,630 --> 00:30:28,960
and um you have quite a background can

851
00:30:34,070 --> 00:30:30,640
you talk a little bit about it

852
00:30:37,669 --> 00:30:34,080
i became interested in ufology back

853
00:30:39,430 --> 00:30:37,679
in the 1960s at about the time of the

854
00:30:41,190 --> 00:30:39,440
betty and barney hill incident that

855
00:30:43,750 --> 00:30:41,200
occurred in

856
00:30:45,350 --> 00:30:43,760
on september 9th in franconia notch new

857
00:30:48,870 --> 00:30:45,360
hampshire

858
00:30:51,590 --> 00:30:48,880
that was the cornerstone uefa event

859
00:30:52,310 --> 00:30:51,600
that probably brought out more uh

860
00:30:57,830 --> 00:30:52,320
phenomena

861
00:31:00,710 --> 00:30:57,840
than any other event that ever occurred

862
00:31:01,750 --> 00:31:00,720
yes yeah your your working background i

863
00:31:05,029 --> 00:31:01,760
find is

864
00:31:07,029 --> 00:31:05,039
you have a real science background i

865
00:31:10,149 --> 00:31:07,039
worked in

866
00:31:14,310 --> 00:31:10,159
as an aeronautical engineer for years

867
00:31:17,669 --> 00:31:14,320
yeah and in the process of working in

868
00:31:18,070 --> 00:31:17,679
aeronautical engineering i met many many

869
00:31:20,549 --> 00:31:18,080
people

870
00:31:21,669 --> 00:31:20,559
who were interested in what was going on

871
00:31:23,909 --> 00:31:21,679
out in space

872
00:31:24,710 --> 00:31:23,919
other than just playing aircraft and

873
00:31:27,190 --> 00:31:24,720
missiles

874
00:31:28,870 --> 00:31:27,200
is that right wow wow and you worked you

875
00:31:31,990 --> 00:31:28,880
actually worked on the moon lander

876
00:31:33,750 --> 00:31:32,000
well i worked in actually

877
00:31:35,909 --> 00:31:33,760
on a number of different projects i

878
00:31:38,789 --> 00:31:35,919
probably over a period

879
00:31:40,310 --> 00:31:38,799
of 20 years as a contract engineer

880
00:31:43,590 --> 00:31:40,320
worked on probably

881
00:31:45,269 --> 00:31:43,600
uh 10 or 12 or 15 different projects

882
00:31:47,669 --> 00:31:45,279
including uh

883
00:31:49,430 --> 00:31:47,679
the space shuttle and uh stealth

884
00:31:52,789 --> 00:31:49,440
fighters and cruise missiles

885
00:31:55,669 --> 00:31:52,799
and uh the the list is uh

886
00:31:56,710 --> 00:31:55,679
wow you know it's been a fascinating

887
00:32:00,310 --> 00:31:56,720
lifestyle

888
00:32:03,509 --> 00:32:00,320
interesting uh in terms of working on

889
00:32:06,950 --> 00:32:03,519
uh projects that really were

890
00:32:09,750 --> 00:32:06,960
uh brand new cutting-edge

891
00:32:11,669 --> 00:32:09,760
technology over the years that's you had

892
00:32:14,149 --> 00:32:11,679
a pretty high clearance level

893
00:32:15,590 --> 00:32:14,159
well i had to in order to be able to to

894
00:32:18,070 --> 00:32:15,600
work on uh

895
00:32:19,590 --> 00:32:18,080
department of defense projects and uh

896
00:32:21,750 --> 00:32:19,600
yeah so

897
00:32:23,750 --> 00:32:21,760
now did you did you keep your ufo

898
00:32:26,710 --> 00:32:23,760
interest kind of to yourself

899
00:32:27,669 --> 00:32:26,720
yes i did you did yes uh how about did

900
00:32:30,310 --> 00:32:27,679
you have any

901
00:32:31,430 --> 00:32:30,320
interaction at all from other people um

902
00:32:34,070 --> 00:32:31,440
quietly about it

903
00:32:34,870 --> 00:32:34,080
that you worked well i i think so and uh

904
00:32:38,710 --> 00:32:34,880
i had

905
00:32:43,350 --> 00:32:42,149
speak with uh astronauts about it when i

906
00:32:46,389 --> 00:32:43,360
was working for

907
00:32:49,350 --> 00:32:46,399
yeah working on the space shuttle down

908
00:32:49,909 --> 00:32:49,360
in florida so that part was interesting

909
00:32:52,470 --> 00:32:49,919
too

910
00:32:53,990 --> 00:32:52,480
to uh to be able to take advantage of

911
00:32:55,990 --> 00:32:54,000
the perspective of someone who

912
00:32:57,590 --> 00:32:56,000
has actually gone out into space can you

913
00:33:00,149 --> 00:32:57,600
tell us a little bit about that

914
00:33:02,549 --> 00:33:00,159
i found the astronauts to be very very

915
00:33:04,789 --> 00:33:02,559
interesting and very very

916
00:33:06,310 --> 00:33:04,799
candid about experiences that they had

917
00:33:09,430 --> 00:33:06,320
had

918
00:33:13,909 --> 00:33:09,440
i know that much of what they

919
00:33:18,070 --> 00:33:13,919
worked with was meant to be kept

920
00:33:21,029 --> 00:33:18,080
secret but on occasion

921
00:33:22,710 --> 00:33:21,039
over a cup of coffee they would discuss

922
00:33:24,870 --> 00:33:22,720
things that they might not

923
00:33:26,230 --> 00:33:24,880
make public in a in an auditorium

924
00:33:28,710 --> 00:33:26,240
somewhere yeah

925
00:33:30,070 --> 00:33:28,720
yeah now i didn't you say that you met

926
00:33:33,190 --> 00:33:30,080
gordon cooper

927
00:33:35,110 --> 00:33:33,200
yes yes and he he told you about

928
00:33:37,269 --> 00:33:35,120
can you talk about that well gordon uh

929
00:33:38,950 --> 00:33:37,279
had ufo experiences going all the way

930
00:33:43,990 --> 00:33:38,960
back into germany

931
00:33:47,190 --> 00:33:44,000
right in the uh 1960s when he was flying

932
00:33:51,190 --> 00:33:47,200
an f-86 fighter or

933
00:33:54,230 --> 00:33:51,200
out of a base in germany he had gone up

934
00:33:56,950 --> 00:33:54,240
on several occasions

935
00:33:58,870 --> 00:33:56,960
with other members of his f-86 squadron

936
00:34:01,029 --> 00:33:58,880
to intercept

937
00:34:03,350 --> 00:34:01,039
unknowns that were flying into germany

938
00:34:06,630 --> 00:34:03,360
from the north and the east

939
00:34:10,629 --> 00:34:06,640
being the gutsy guy that he was

940
00:34:11,990 --> 00:34:10,639
had taken his uh f-86 to well up over 45

941
00:34:15,750 --> 00:34:12,000
000 feet to

942
00:34:17,829 --> 00:34:15,760
to try to intercept ufos that they felt

943
00:34:18,950 --> 00:34:17,839
were encroaching on the military base

944
00:34:21,270 --> 00:34:18,960
there

945
00:34:22,310 --> 00:34:21,280
in germany and and uh they didn't know

946
00:34:25,109 --> 00:34:22,320
that it wasn't

947
00:34:25,669 --> 00:34:25,119
uh you know an antagonistic government

948
00:34:28,310 --> 00:34:25,679
making an

949
00:34:29,589 --> 00:34:28,320
aerial flight over germany but i think

950
00:34:33,589 --> 00:34:29,599
they concluded that

951
00:34:36,069 --> 00:34:33,599
um that it was uh ufos yeah uh he

952
00:34:37,349 --> 00:34:36,079
he set a record actually in in terms of

953
00:34:40,629 --> 00:34:37,359
taking his

954
00:34:42,149 --> 00:34:40,639
uh f-86 up i don't think uh anyone had

955
00:34:43,510 --> 00:34:42,159
ever taken an f-86

956
00:34:45,270 --> 00:34:43,520
up to the yeah that's really pushing it

957
00:34:47,829 --> 00:34:45,280
isn't up to the

958
00:34:48,550 --> 00:34:47,839
uh uh you know the altitudes that he was

959
00:34:51,510 --> 00:34:48,560
flying at

960
00:34:53,430 --> 00:34:51,520
that's almost into space well actually

961
00:34:55,990 --> 00:34:53,440
i'm not sure that at the altitudes he

962
00:34:57,829 --> 00:34:56,000
was flying at that the f-86 was

963
00:34:59,829 --> 00:34:57,839
equipped to support a pilot at those

964
00:35:02,950 --> 00:34:59,839
altitudes he might have been able

965
00:35:04,870 --> 00:35:02,960
to get up to 40 or 42 000 feet now you

966
00:35:07,190 --> 00:35:04,880
were telling me about the

967
00:35:08,710 --> 00:35:07,200
the ufo that landed on the base and they

968
00:35:12,150 --> 00:35:08,720
all filmed it and everything

969
00:35:15,430 --> 00:35:12,160
well he was a base security officer

970
00:35:19,270 --> 00:35:15,440
in california on one of the bases

971
00:35:21,430 --> 00:35:19,280
and as as a base security officer his

972
00:35:23,430 --> 00:35:21,440
responsibility was to

973
00:35:24,790 --> 00:35:23,440
be made aware of any incursions that

974
00:35:27,829 --> 00:35:24,800
were made on that base

975
00:35:29,670 --> 00:35:27,839
facility i'm not sure that i

976
00:35:30,950 --> 00:35:29,680
should mention the name of the air force

977
00:35:35,670 --> 00:35:30,960
base but

978
00:35:37,829 --> 00:35:35,680
he had about a 75 foot in diameter

979
00:35:38,870 --> 00:35:37,839
disc shaped craft come right down within

980
00:35:44,310 --> 00:35:38,880
the

981
00:35:47,510 --> 00:35:44,320
were concerned

982
00:35:50,470 --> 00:35:47,520
yeah and they took

983
00:35:51,430 --> 00:35:50,480
uh extensive uh photography of the craft

984
00:35:53,670 --> 00:35:51,440
while it was on

985
00:35:55,109 --> 00:35:53,680
on the ground on on a tripod type

986
00:35:58,069 --> 00:35:55,119
landing gear

987
00:36:00,230 --> 00:35:58,079
they took two and a quarter color slides

988
00:36:01,510 --> 00:36:00,240
they took 35 millimeter color slides

989
00:36:05,270 --> 00:36:01,520
they took

990
00:36:09,109 --> 00:36:05,280
actually took moving pictures of this

991
00:36:11,430 --> 00:36:09,119
thing while it was on the ground and

992
00:36:13,349 --> 00:36:11,440
his his instructions were never to look

993
00:36:15,670 --> 00:36:13,359
at any of the photographs of any of this

994
00:36:19,190 --> 00:36:15,680
equipment

995
00:36:22,069 --> 00:36:19,200
because it was all uh meant to be uh

996
00:36:24,470 --> 00:36:22,079
packed away in a in a plain envelope and

997
00:36:27,910 --> 00:36:24,480
sent right away to the pentagon

998
00:36:30,069 --> 00:36:27,920
in washington yeah but he uh he he uh

999
00:36:31,750 --> 00:36:30,079
confided in me uh he said

1000
00:36:33,510 --> 00:36:31,760
you know they didn't say that i couldn't

1001
00:36:36,710 --> 00:36:33,520
look at the negatives in the dark room

1002
00:36:38,310 --> 00:36:36,720
you know and i guess he did take a peek

1003
00:36:40,550 --> 00:36:38,320
at some of the photographs they had

1004
00:36:42,310 --> 00:36:40,560
taken but once they were in that little

1005
00:36:43,109 --> 00:36:42,320
manila envelope and in the mail they

1006
00:36:46,230 --> 00:36:43,119
never saw the

1007
00:36:47,589 --> 00:36:46,240
the uh the photographs again yeah would

1008
00:36:49,670 --> 00:36:47,599
you say that

1009
00:36:51,829 --> 00:36:49,680
the astronauts that you spoke with were

1010
00:36:55,190 --> 00:36:51,839
did most of them have an open mind about

1011
00:36:55,750 --> 00:36:55,200
ufos what they are and all that i think

1012
00:36:57,430 --> 00:36:55,760
they

1013
00:36:59,270 --> 00:36:57,440
uh went out into space with the

1014
00:37:03,349 --> 00:36:59,280
realization that

1015
00:37:06,470 --> 00:37:03,359
uh that we might very well contact uh

1016
00:37:09,430 --> 00:37:06,480
other intelligences

1017
00:37:11,190 --> 00:37:09,440
there's uh a two there are two different

1018
00:37:11,910 --> 00:37:11,200
approaches here number one is is that

1019
00:37:14,710 --> 00:37:11,920
well okay

1020
00:37:15,589 --> 00:37:14,720
well we may very well meet uh

1021
00:37:17,990 --> 00:37:15,599
intelligent

1022
00:37:18,870 --> 00:37:18,000
uh species out there but how how do we

1023
00:37:21,990 --> 00:37:18,880
deal with that

1024
00:37:25,190 --> 00:37:22,000
do we you know do we uh embrace

1025
00:37:28,550 --> 00:37:25,200
them with open arms or do we react uh

1026
00:37:29,829 --> 00:37:28,560
in in a military defensive type posture

1027
00:37:32,150 --> 00:37:29,839
if we encounter them

1028
00:37:33,349 --> 00:37:32,160
wow all right so a man of your

1029
00:37:35,670 --> 00:37:33,359
background

1030
00:37:36,870 --> 00:37:35,680
do you have if you had to guess about

1031
00:37:38,790 --> 00:37:36,880
their propulsion

1032
00:37:41,109 --> 00:37:38,800
of some of the sightings that have been

1033
00:37:43,190 --> 00:37:41,119
seen the right angle turns at what were

1034
00:37:44,550 --> 00:37:43,200
we told today 3 600 miles an hour or

1035
00:37:46,069 --> 00:37:44,560
something like that

1036
00:37:47,829 --> 00:37:46,079
how how could that be possible what

1037
00:37:50,230 --> 00:37:47,839
would you think about that

1038
00:37:52,470 --> 00:37:50,240
it's uh it's quite obvious to me that if

1039
00:37:55,109 --> 00:37:52,480
an aircraft is capable of making a right

1040
00:37:56,870 --> 00:37:55,119
angle turn at

1041
00:37:58,310 --> 00:37:56,880
about three and a half thousand miles an

1042
00:38:02,390 --> 00:37:58,320
hour uh

1043
00:38:03,190 --> 00:38:02,400
that an individual in that craft would

1044
00:38:06,310 --> 00:38:03,200
be

1045
00:38:09,670 --> 00:38:06,320
experiencing about 50 g's during that uh

1046
00:38:12,710 --> 00:38:09,680
that right angle turn so i know what

1047
00:38:14,710 --> 00:38:12,720
our our pilots are capable of in our

1048
00:38:17,030 --> 00:38:14,720
fighter and our attack aircraft they're

1049
00:38:19,910 --> 00:38:17,040
they're probably capable

1050
00:38:20,470 --> 00:38:19,920
of a 9 g turn or is it really that high

1051
00:38:22,470 --> 00:38:20,480
somewhere

1052
00:38:24,950 --> 00:38:22,480
because if they're wearing a pressurized

1053
00:38:26,950 --> 00:38:24,960
suit that that will enable them to cope

1054
00:38:29,109 --> 00:38:26,960
with

1055
00:38:30,829 --> 00:38:29,119
the dramatic influence on blood flow

1056
00:38:34,310 --> 00:38:30,839
while they're experiencing those

1057
00:38:38,230 --> 00:38:34,320
g's but uh it's

1058
00:38:41,190 --> 00:38:38,240
it's evident to me that uh that these

1059
00:38:43,030 --> 00:38:41,200
uh advanced civilizations are working

1060
00:38:44,870 --> 00:38:43,040
with propulsion systems that are way

1061
00:38:47,510 --> 00:38:44,880
beyond our understanding

1062
00:38:48,790 --> 00:38:47,520
yeah and they apparently have the

1063
00:38:53,190 --> 00:38:48,800
ability they've

1064
00:38:56,310 --> 00:38:53,200
they've uh figured out ways to cope with

1065
00:38:58,390 --> 00:38:56,320
uh the tremendous g-forces that

1066
00:38:59,430 --> 00:38:58,400
a living being would experience inside

1067
00:39:02,310 --> 00:38:59,440
one in uh

1068
00:39:03,510 --> 00:39:02,320
one of those craft yeah absolutely well

1069
00:39:04,310 --> 00:39:03,520
they figured out a whole different type

1070
00:39:06,150 --> 00:39:04,320
of gravity

1071
00:39:07,829 --> 00:39:06,160
type of situation well that's possible

1072
00:39:09,349 --> 00:39:07,839
too yeah yeah

1073
00:39:11,109 --> 00:39:09,359
well thank you so much it's been a real

1074
00:39:13,030 --> 00:39:11,119
pleasure and really enjoyed meeting you

1075
00:39:13,670 --> 00:39:13,040
you're welcome and it's my pleasure too

1076
00:39:18,150 --> 00:39:13,680
as well

1077
00:39:21,910 --> 00:39:20,470
leslie kane we finally get to meet in

1078
00:39:22,790 --> 00:39:21,920
person how are you it's great to meet

1079
00:39:24,550 --> 00:39:22,800
you martin

1080
00:39:26,230 --> 00:39:24,560
so glad you could come to the conference

1081
00:39:26,790 --> 00:39:26,240
me too and what do you think so far i

1082
00:39:28,630 --> 00:39:26,800
think it's been

1083
00:39:30,630 --> 00:39:28,640
great it's a great conference it's just

1084
00:39:32,069 --> 00:39:30,640
exceptional i'm really really pleased

1085
00:39:34,150 --> 00:39:32,079
and i'm pleased with the quality of the

1086
00:39:35,750 --> 00:39:34,160
audience too very intelligent questions

1087
00:39:38,870 --> 00:39:35,760
thoughtful people

1088
00:39:39,990 --> 00:39:38,880
no kind of you know rambling monologues

1089
00:39:42,069 --> 00:39:40,000
or

1090
00:39:43,430 --> 00:39:42,079
fringe kinds of questions has very been

1091
00:39:45,510 --> 00:39:43,440
very scientific and

1092
00:39:46,630 --> 00:39:45,520
official and serious and very

1093
00:39:49,589 --> 00:39:46,640
fascinating too

1094
00:39:51,589 --> 00:39:49,599
yeah yep i really love the lineup here

1095
00:39:52,870 --> 00:39:51,599
the last time you and i podcast together

1096
00:39:54,230 --> 00:39:52,880
you started talking about what you're

1097
00:39:55,510 --> 00:39:54,240
going to reveal so everybody's been

1098
00:39:57,349 --> 00:39:55,520
waiting

1099
00:39:58,550 --> 00:39:57,359
so can you talk about it now well i hope

1100
00:40:01,109 --> 00:39:58,560
they liked it

1101
00:40:02,550 --> 00:40:01,119
um it was a case out of chile that i

1102
00:40:04,790 --> 00:40:02,560
actually been given exclusive

1103
00:40:06,710 --> 00:40:04,800
access to by the official agency there

1104
00:40:08,069 --> 00:40:06,720
that it's never been made public before

1105
00:40:10,870 --> 00:40:08,079
this conference

1106
00:40:11,750 --> 00:40:10,880
and um it's it's better if it's a more

1107
00:40:13,349 --> 00:40:11,760
visual case

1108
00:40:15,109 --> 00:40:13,359
but just to talk about it a little bit

1109
00:40:17,190 --> 00:40:15,119
um there were it involved three

1110
00:40:20,790 --> 00:40:17,200
witnesses at an air force academy

1111
00:40:22,309 --> 00:40:20,800
in santiago who saw and um

1112
00:40:23,990 --> 00:40:22,319
one of them was a sergeant who had been

1113
00:40:25,349 --> 00:40:24,000
many years at the air force academy

1114
00:40:27,109 --> 00:40:25,359
there and this is where they train their

1115
00:40:28,230 --> 00:40:27,119
generals their colonels very high level

1116
00:40:30,069 --> 00:40:28,240
people

1117
00:40:32,309 --> 00:40:30,079
and they saw these lights five were

1118
00:40:34,470 --> 00:40:32,319
lights come in from the mountains

1119
00:40:35,990 --> 00:40:34,480
from the andes mountains towards them

1120
00:40:37,349 --> 00:40:36,000
first they thought they were helicopters

1121
00:40:38,150 --> 00:40:37,359
but they realized they were completely

1122
00:40:40,710 --> 00:40:38,160
silent

1123
00:40:41,910 --> 00:40:40,720
yeah so these we'll call them objects

1124
00:40:43,589 --> 00:40:41,920
lights i don't know what to call them

1125
00:40:45,589 --> 00:40:43,599
but they were they came towards them

1126
00:40:48,470 --> 00:40:45,599
they formed a horizontal line

1127
00:40:50,550 --> 00:40:48,480
then a triangle and then a circle three

1128
00:40:52,630 --> 00:40:50,560
distinct formations

1129
00:40:54,309 --> 00:40:52,640
two of the witnesses pulled out their

1130
00:40:55,829 --> 00:40:54,319
cell phones with cameras and and

1131
00:40:57,910 --> 00:40:55,839
videotaped it

1132
00:40:59,270 --> 00:40:57,920
and the one of the videos you really

1133
00:41:00,470 --> 00:40:59,280
can't see it i mean

1134
00:41:01,910 --> 00:41:00,480
it's just you know it's hard for cell

1135
00:41:03,510 --> 00:41:01,920
phones to capture these things but what

1136
00:41:06,470 --> 00:41:03,520
you have is the

1137
00:41:07,750 --> 00:41:06,480
the man who filmed it narrating exactly

1138
00:41:10,390 --> 00:41:07,760
what he was seeing and his

1139
00:41:12,390 --> 00:41:10,400
reaction says oh my god and you know the

1140
00:41:13,910 --> 00:41:12,400
birds are going crazy so the audio is

1141
00:41:15,670 --> 00:41:13,920
fantastic birds don't really

1142
00:41:17,510 --> 00:41:15,680
birds don't call at night and at one

1143
00:41:19,430 --> 00:41:17,520
point when he gets excited

1144
00:41:20,710 --> 00:41:19,440
because of what he's seeing the birds

1145
00:41:22,309 --> 00:41:20,720
get excited too

1146
00:41:23,910 --> 00:41:22,319
yeah now they're not reacting to what

1147
00:41:24,630 --> 00:41:23,920
the human is saying they're reacting to

1148
00:41:26,390 --> 00:41:24,640
something else

1149
00:41:28,390 --> 00:41:26,400
so i thought that was in one of the

1150
00:41:29,750 --> 00:41:28,400
videos the cell phone videos that they

1151
00:41:32,309 --> 00:41:29,760
enhanced a little bit

1152
00:41:33,430 --> 00:41:32,319
you could see you could see the

1153
00:41:35,589 --> 00:41:33,440
phenomenon the

1154
00:41:37,349 --> 00:41:35,599
equivalent of the fbi in chile took it

1155
00:41:39,190 --> 00:41:37,359
into a lab and just enhanced it

1156
00:41:41,109 --> 00:41:39,200
increased the contrast a little bit you

1157
00:41:41,430 --> 00:41:41,119
can clearly see the triangular shape in

1158
00:41:43,109 --> 00:41:41,440
that

1159
00:41:45,349 --> 00:41:43,119
formation and then they pulled some

1160
00:41:45,750 --> 00:41:45,359
stills from it in which you can really

1161
00:41:47,270 --> 00:41:45,760
see

1162
00:41:48,790 --> 00:41:47,280
clearly that and what's really

1163
00:41:49,910 --> 00:41:48,800
fascinating to me about the triangular

1164
00:41:51,349 --> 00:41:49,920
formation

1165
00:41:53,750 --> 00:41:51,359
is there were five objects but a

1166
00:41:57,190 --> 00:41:53,760
triangle only contains three right

1167
00:41:57,910 --> 00:41:57,200
so i was thinking well in a formation of

1168
00:41:59,270 --> 00:41:57,920
three

1169
00:42:00,630 --> 00:41:59,280
what happened to the other two well if

1170
00:42:02,470 --> 00:42:00,640
you look at the photograph that they

1171
00:42:05,349 --> 00:42:02,480
pulled out from the video

1172
00:42:05,990 --> 00:42:05,359
you can see that the two of the objects

1173
00:42:07,829 --> 00:42:06,000
paired up

1174
00:42:10,069 --> 00:42:07,839
with another two of the points on the

1175
00:42:10,630 --> 00:42:10,079
triangle were pairs of objects so there

1176
00:42:12,870 --> 00:42:10,640
were still

1177
00:42:14,309 --> 00:42:12,880
five two of them got really close

1178
00:42:16,470 --> 00:42:14,319
together on one apex

1179
00:42:18,630 --> 00:42:16,480
two got close together on another apex

1180
00:42:20,550 --> 00:42:18,640
and in the third apex there were one

1181
00:42:21,910 --> 00:42:20,560
so i mean what kind of intelligence does

1182
00:42:23,910 --> 00:42:21,920
that demonstrate

1183
00:42:25,589 --> 00:42:23,920
yeah that these objects bunch together

1184
00:42:28,390 --> 00:42:25,599
in order to form a triangle

1185
00:42:29,910 --> 00:42:28,400
there of course there's no answers here

1186
00:42:30,870 --> 00:42:29,920
but there's still some really good

1187
00:42:34,630 --> 00:42:30,880
points made

1188
00:42:37,109 --> 00:42:34,640
and um i think one of the more enjoyable

1189
00:42:38,790 --> 00:42:37,119
people kind of surprised me was uh

1190
00:42:39,910 --> 00:42:38,800
jeffrey bennett the other night what did

1191
00:42:40,630 --> 00:42:39,920
you think about it no i thought his

1192
00:42:43,349 --> 00:42:40,640
lecture was

1193
00:42:44,390 --> 00:42:43,359
fabulous yeah i mean he's an astronomer

1194
00:42:46,550 --> 00:42:44,400
astrophysicist

1195
00:42:48,630 --> 00:42:46,560
educator he's a straight scientist got

1196
00:42:50,230 --> 00:42:48,640
nothing to do with ufos not particularly

1197
00:42:51,910 --> 00:42:50,240
interested in ufos but

1198
00:42:53,750 --> 00:42:51,920
he came in as our science lecture

1199
00:42:55,589 --> 00:42:53,760
saturday night and he's

1200
00:42:58,069 --> 00:42:55,599
fascinating to them or he's not a

1201
00:42:59,990 --> 00:42:58,079
debunker exactly just sort of open

1202
00:43:02,230 --> 00:43:00,000
you know but explore the scientific

1203
00:43:04,390 --> 00:43:02,240
perspective on could there be alien life

1204
00:43:06,550 --> 00:43:04,400
and all the issues related to that

1205
00:43:08,309 --> 00:43:06,560
talked about the discovery of exoplanets

1206
00:43:10,550 --> 00:43:08,319
by kepler

1207
00:43:12,069 --> 00:43:10,560
what do we know about the moons the mars

1208
00:43:13,670 --> 00:43:12,079
all these interesting things about the

1209
00:43:15,750 --> 00:43:13,680
the universe and the solar system well

1210
00:43:17,990 --> 00:43:15,760
it really kind of boiled down to

1211
00:43:19,990 --> 00:43:18,000
that it's a real high probability that

1212
00:43:20,550 --> 00:43:20,000
there's life out there which you know we

1213
00:43:21,910 --> 00:43:20,560
all

1214
00:43:24,150 --> 00:43:21,920
been saying but he was doing it

1215
00:43:24,550 --> 00:43:24,160
statistically which is very fascinating

1216
00:43:26,950 --> 00:43:24,560
to me

1217
00:43:28,069 --> 00:43:26,960
exactly from a scientific perspective

1218
00:43:29,910 --> 00:43:28,079
yeah i mean

1219
00:43:31,910 --> 00:43:29,920
highly probable that there's life out

1220
00:43:34,309 --> 00:43:31,920
there the big question of course is

1221
00:43:35,829 --> 00:43:34,319
getting that life from there to here

1222
00:43:38,870 --> 00:43:35,839
yeah and that's the thing

1223
00:43:40,150 --> 00:43:38,880
that's harder for scientists to

1224
00:43:41,430 --> 00:43:40,160
deal with and for all of us really i

1225
00:43:42,630 --> 00:43:41,440
mean when you think about how vast the

1226
00:43:45,109 --> 00:43:42,640
space is of course

1227
00:43:45,910 --> 00:43:45,119
i know we need to talk about the size of

1228
00:43:47,750 --> 00:43:45,920
the sun

1229
00:43:50,390 --> 00:43:47,760
if it was scaled down to a grapefruit

1230
00:43:52,710 --> 00:43:50,400
right our earth would be about 16

1231
00:43:54,470 --> 00:43:52,720
meters away i think you said the size of

1232
00:43:56,390 --> 00:43:54,480
a ball and a ballpoint pen

1233
00:43:57,829 --> 00:43:56,400
right tiny the moon a quarter bit of

1234
00:43:59,190 --> 00:43:57,839
that two inches out and that's the

1235
00:44:01,109 --> 00:43:59,200
farthest we ever traveled

1236
00:44:02,710 --> 00:44:01,119
right and alpha centauri our nearest

1237
00:44:05,670 --> 00:44:02,720
star all the way in california

1238
00:44:07,270 --> 00:44:05,680
it's phenomenal you hear that you think

1239
00:44:09,270 --> 00:44:07,280
how could ufos possibly come from

1240
00:44:11,349 --> 00:44:09,280
anywhere else that's what you think

1241
00:44:12,950 --> 00:44:11,359
it's very good it's sobering it it makes

1242
00:44:15,109 --> 00:44:12,960
us step back and

1243
00:44:16,470 --> 00:44:15,119
yeah you know take a sign be realized we

1244
00:44:17,990 --> 00:44:16,480
have to be very circumspect and

1245
00:44:18,950 --> 00:44:18,000
scientific about this it's really

1246
00:44:22,390 --> 00:44:18,960
mind-boggling

1247
00:44:22,950 --> 00:44:22,400
yeah now as far as the different people

1248
00:44:26,069 --> 00:44:22,960
that

1249
00:44:28,630 --> 00:44:26,079
were lecturing this weekend are there

1250
00:44:30,630 --> 00:44:28,640
dvds going to be available separately

1251
00:44:33,030 --> 00:44:30,640
yes they are separate dvds will be

1252
00:44:35,109 --> 00:44:33,040
available i think in a couple of weeks

1253
00:44:36,470 --> 00:44:35,119
on the website for and i'll post on my

1254
00:44:37,190 --> 00:44:36,480
facebook page as soon as they're

1255
00:44:39,349 --> 00:44:37,200
available

1256
00:44:40,710 --> 00:44:39,359
and i i just think i'm so happy because

1257
00:44:41,430 --> 00:44:40,720
i'm going to want to get all of them oh

1258
00:44:42,870 --> 00:44:41,440
yes

1259
00:44:44,069 --> 00:44:42,880
and i recommend them to people who

1260
00:44:45,670 --> 00:44:44,079
couldn't make it because these are

1261
00:44:47,589 --> 00:44:45,680
really exceptional talks

1262
00:44:49,030 --> 00:44:47,599
so will it be on the uh it'll be on the

1263
00:44:50,710 --> 00:44:49,040
website it'll be on the conference

1264
00:44:52,470 --> 00:44:50,720
website i'll definitely

1265
00:44:54,230 --> 00:44:52,480
make it make an announcement about it

1266
00:44:56,230 --> 00:44:54,240
when it when they're available

1267
00:45:00,109 --> 00:44:56,240
and give you links and everything which

1268
00:45:04,790 --> 00:45:01,589
c-u-f-o-r-n-c

1269
00:45:07,270 --> 00:45:04,800
dot com that's cool foreign the center

1270
00:45:07,670 --> 00:45:07,280
for ufo research north carolina is what

1271
00:45:09,750 --> 00:45:07,680
it's

1272
00:45:11,430 --> 00:45:09,760
the acronym for so what's next for

1273
00:45:14,710 --> 00:45:11,440
leslie kane

1274
00:45:15,430 --> 00:45:14,720
um i'm not sure really i've got a bunch

1275
00:45:18,069 --> 00:45:15,440
of

1276
00:45:19,829 --> 00:45:18,079
possible writing projects um i want to

1277
00:45:22,470 --> 00:45:19,839
write up something on this

1278
00:45:24,390 --> 00:45:22,480
agga case that you knew chile in case

1279
00:45:26,390 --> 00:45:24,400
for the huffington post

1280
00:45:27,910 --> 00:45:26,400
i'm also working on the revisit the

1281
00:45:30,630 --> 00:45:27,920
french edition of my book

1282
00:45:32,309 --> 00:45:30,640
um really yeah it's like the ninth maybe

1283
00:45:33,910 --> 00:45:32,319
the ninth foreign language edition

1284
00:45:35,750 --> 00:45:33,920
i just heard you speaking french with a

1285
00:45:36,390 --> 00:45:35,760
lady a little bit of friends a little

1286
00:45:37,990 --> 00:45:36,400
bit but

1287
00:45:39,670 --> 00:45:38,000
i'm not doing the translation by any

1288
00:45:41,750 --> 00:45:39,680
means but i have to

1289
00:45:43,910 --> 00:45:41,760
i'm working on some changes because the

1290
00:45:44,550 --> 00:45:43,920
pityreshaft photograph of the belgian

1291
00:45:46,390 --> 00:45:44,560
thing that

1292
00:45:47,829 --> 00:45:46,400
de brauer talked about general de brauer

1293
00:45:50,150 --> 00:45:47,839
yesterday yeah

1294
00:45:50,950 --> 00:45:50,160
um it's a questionable now it's the it

1295
00:45:52,309 --> 00:45:50,960
is uh

1296
00:45:54,230 --> 00:45:52,319
we have to basically assume it was a

1297
00:45:56,950 --> 00:45:54,240
hoax you know you

1298
00:45:58,790 --> 00:45:56,960
you can but there's i still keep even

1299
00:46:01,349 --> 00:45:58,800
yesterday i heard controversy about that

1300
00:46:03,030 --> 00:46:01,359
saying that the guy

1301
00:46:05,270 --> 00:46:03,040
felt as though that he did not get

1302
00:46:08,870 --> 00:46:05,280
enough money for it when he sold it

1303
00:46:11,670 --> 00:46:08,880
and then so he he's claiming it's a hoax

1304
00:46:12,470 --> 00:46:11,680
just to to spoil that so yeah but we

1305
00:46:14,230 --> 00:46:12,480
sell it or something

1306
00:46:15,670 --> 00:46:14,240
i don't think the belgian investigators

1307
00:46:17,349 --> 00:46:15,680
who've actually spoke to him would agree

1308
00:46:18,550 --> 00:46:17,359
with that i mean i think they're pretty

1309
00:46:19,349 --> 00:46:18,560
convinced and these are people who

1310
00:46:21,829 --> 00:46:19,359
really care

1311
00:46:23,430 --> 00:46:21,839
so they're not out to debunk anything

1312
00:46:23,910 --> 00:46:23,440
you know i've spoken to patrick faron

1313
00:46:25,349 --> 00:46:23,920
who has

1314
00:46:27,829 --> 00:46:25,359
actually went and interviewed him for

1315
00:46:28,950 --> 00:46:27,839
hours and they've done a lot of work on

1316
00:46:30,309 --> 00:46:28,960
and they really and they've gotten two

1317
00:46:31,589 --> 00:46:30,319
other people to corroborate that they

1318
00:46:33,349 --> 00:46:31,599
were there at the time

1319
00:46:35,030 --> 00:46:33,359
when he made the model yeah you know

1320
00:46:35,829 --> 00:46:35,040
that was just such an awesome picture

1321
00:46:37,190 --> 00:46:35,839
too

1322
00:46:39,349 --> 00:46:37,200
it was so disappointing it was my

1323
00:46:40,230 --> 00:46:39,359
favorite picture for you yeah but even

1324
00:46:43,109 --> 00:46:40,240
so

1325
00:46:44,710 --> 00:46:43,119
even if there's still let's say a 10 20

1326
00:46:46,550 --> 00:46:44,720
chance that it might be real

1327
00:46:47,750 --> 00:46:46,560
we still have to eliminate it from our

1328
00:46:50,230 --> 00:46:47,760
repertoire of evidence

1329
00:46:51,510 --> 00:46:50,240
because it's too controversial so what

1330
00:46:52,950 --> 00:46:51,520
i'm doing in the french edition of the

1331
00:46:53,670 --> 00:46:52,960
book since it's going to be sold in

1332
00:46:55,430 --> 00:46:53,680
belgium

1333
00:46:56,950 --> 00:46:55,440
where you know we're we're going to

1334
00:46:57,910 --> 00:46:56,960
remove that photograph and put an

1335
00:47:01,109 --> 00:46:57,920
addendum in

1336
00:47:02,710 --> 00:47:01,119
explaining why and then replace it with

1337
00:47:04,710 --> 00:47:02,720
others so i need to

1338
00:47:05,750 --> 00:47:04,720
get that to the publisher and i'm kind

1339
00:47:07,109 --> 00:47:05,760
of working with the guy who's

1340
00:47:08,550 --> 00:47:07,119
translating it

1341
00:47:09,990 --> 00:47:08,560
he has various questions and issues so

1342
00:47:10,870 --> 00:47:10,000
we go back and forth a lot so that takes

1343
00:47:12,870 --> 00:47:10,880
a lot of time

1344
00:47:14,550 --> 00:47:12,880
yeah you know your book seemed to come

1345
00:47:16,710 --> 00:47:14,560
up a lot this weekend

1346
00:47:18,309 --> 00:47:16,720
that must have made you feel good it is

1347
00:47:19,270 --> 00:47:18,319
referencing your book what really makes

1348
00:47:21,829 --> 00:47:19,280
me feel good is when

1349
00:47:23,190 --> 00:47:21,839
an a human being a person comes up to me

1350
00:47:24,950 --> 00:47:23,200
which many did here

1351
00:47:26,870 --> 00:47:24,960
yeah and just tell me what the book

1352
00:47:28,630 --> 00:47:26,880
meant to them personally and i just so

1353
00:47:30,549 --> 00:47:28,640
gratifying for me to hear

1354
00:47:32,309 --> 00:47:30,559
you know one woman said it circulated

1355
00:47:34,069 --> 00:47:32,319
all over around her family her father's

1356
00:47:36,150 --> 00:47:34,079
a professor at a university

1357
00:47:38,549 --> 00:47:36,160
it's the only ufo book he'd ever read it

1358
00:47:40,230 --> 00:47:38,559
really affected him see

1359
00:47:42,630 --> 00:47:40,240
people say it's like oh definitely

1360
00:47:44,309 --> 00:47:42,640
that's a that's a that's a great feeling

1361
00:47:46,470 --> 00:47:44,319
one guy said i've been reading ufo books

1362
00:47:47,190 --> 00:47:46,480
for 25 years and this is by far the best

1363
00:47:49,589 --> 00:47:47,200
i mean

1364
00:47:51,510 --> 00:47:49,599
it's just so satisfying to me because

1365
00:47:51,990 --> 00:47:51,520
number one it took so much work for me

1366
00:47:53,990 --> 00:47:52,000
to do it

1367
00:47:55,270 --> 00:47:54,000
and number two because of the other

1368
00:47:56,710 --> 00:47:55,280
contributors to the book

1369
00:47:58,950 --> 00:47:56,720
you know there's over a dozen other

1370
00:48:00,710 --> 00:47:58,960
people who wrote chapters and it to me

1371
00:48:01,750 --> 00:48:00,720
it's a collective effort and it includes

1372
00:48:02,549 --> 00:48:01,760
some of the people who are at this

1373
00:48:04,309 --> 00:48:02,559
conference and

1374
00:48:06,069 --> 00:48:04,319
plus i can it means they're being

1375
00:48:08,309 --> 00:48:06,079
recognized right

1376
00:48:10,549 --> 00:48:08,319
and i can tell you you are someone that

1377
00:48:12,549 --> 00:48:10,559
is very careful about what you do and

1378
00:48:13,910 --> 00:48:12,559
we all i think i can speak for a lot of

1379
00:48:16,069 --> 00:48:13,920
people we all appreciate

1380
00:48:17,349 --> 00:48:16,079
the wonderful you work you do but i

1381
00:48:19,510 --> 00:48:17,359
can't imagine how

1382
00:48:20,870 --> 00:48:19,520
careful you would be writing that book i

1383
00:48:22,790 --> 00:48:20,880
mean how much time you took

1384
00:48:24,549 --> 00:48:22,800
i was very careful did it take a long

1385
00:48:25,750 --> 00:48:24,559
time to put together yeah i mean it was

1386
00:48:27,750 --> 00:48:25,760
based on

1387
00:48:29,430 --> 00:48:27,760
many many you know 11 10 11 years of

1388
00:48:31,109 --> 00:48:29,440
work that sort of all distilled into

1389
00:48:32,950 --> 00:48:31,119
that but the actual book itself

1390
00:48:34,230 --> 00:48:32,960
took a lot of time and i was on

1391
00:48:37,670 --> 00:48:34,240
deadlines i had a

1392
00:48:39,190 --> 00:48:37,680
random house is a a very good publisher

1393
00:48:40,549 --> 00:48:39,200
and you have a whole schedule you have

1394
00:48:42,630 --> 00:48:40,559
to follow because they want to get it

1395
00:48:45,190 --> 00:48:42,640
out at a certain time based on

1396
00:48:46,549 --> 00:48:45,200
the marketing potential of that time we

1397
00:48:48,630 --> 00:48:46,559
picked the summer

1398
00:48:49,990 --> 00:48:48,640
because they figured not remember one

1399
00:48:51,750 --> 00:48:50,000
not a lot of other books come out in the

1400
00:48:53,829 --> 00:48:51,760
summer there's not much competition

1401
00:48:54,950 --> 00:48:53,839
yeah and number two people are out in

1402
00:48:57,030 --> 00:48:54,960
the beach and they want to read about

1403
00:48:57,589 --> 00:48:57,040
ufos in the summer it's sort of vacation

1404
00:48:59,109 --> 00:48:57,599
time

1405
00:49:00,790 --> 00:48:59,119
so they figured for that reason we

1406
00:49:01,510 --> 00:49:00,800
needed to get it out in the summer and

1407
00:49:03,270 --> 00:49:01,520
so you know

1408
00:49:05,030 --> 00:49:03,280
from the very beginning everything is

1409
00:49:05,750 --> 00:49:05,040
mapped out over a period of like over a

1410
00:49:08,150 --> 00:49:05,760
year

1411
00:49:09,829 --> 00:49:08,160
so when certain deadlines have to be met

1412
00:49:10,870 --> 00:49:09,839
when the first draft second draft the

1413
00:49:13,990 --> 00:49:10,880
photographs this

1414
00:49:16,790 --> 00:49:14,000
that so you have to follow this strict

1415
00:49:18,710 --> 00:49:16,800
and that makes it high pressure and and

1416
00:49:20,390 --> 00:49:18,720
you know i just had to do nothing else

1417
00:49:22,150 --> 00:49:20,400
it's hard work and then i was working

1418
00:49:23,430 --> 00:49:22,160
with all these other contributors and

1419
00:49:24,790 --> 00:49:23,440
some of them weren't even didn't even

1420
00:49:27,190 --> 00:49:24,800
speak english

1421
00:49:29,270 --> 00:49:27,200
so i had to hire translators to do both

1422
00:49:30,790 --> 00:49:29,280
communications for me and to translate

1423
00:49:33,670 --> 00:49:30,800
their work and you have to

1424
00:49:35,589 --> 00:49:33,680
go back to them because even though they

1425
00:49:36,630 --> 00:49:35,599
may be expert witnesses or expert

1426
00:49:37,990 --> 00:49:36,640
investigators

1427
00:49:40,230 --> 00:49:38,000
they may not think of everything that

1428
00:49:42,390 --> 00:49:40,240
needs to be said so my job was to

1429
00:49:43,750 --> 00:49:42,400
come back and say well here you've got

1430
00:49:45,270 --> 00:49:43,760
this great case but you

1431
00:49:47,349 --> 00:49:45,280
could you describe what the object

1432
00:49:48,630 --> 00:49:47,359
looked like or could you say

1433
00:49:50,549 --> 00:49:48,640
certain things that they just don't

1434
00:49:52,150 --> 00:49:50,559
think to include that

1435
00:49:53,750 --> 00:49:52,160
as a journalist i know how to tell a

1436
00:49:55,349 --> 00:49:53,760
story you see so

1437
00:49:56,950 --> 00:49:55,359
part of my job was to work with each of

1438
00:49:58,870 --> 00:49:56,960
the contributors that way and that took

1439
00:50:00,230 --> 00:49:58,880
a lot of time and effort as well

1440
00:50:02,630 --> 00:50:00,240
did your book go into any other

1441
00:50:04,390 --> 00:50:02,640
languages or is it this first one it did

1442
00:50:05,670 --> 00:50:04,400
oh it's probably been in eight or nine

1443
00:50:08,950 --> 00:50:05,680
countries now including

1444
00:50:09,349 --> 00:50:08,960
china brazil wow oh i'm thrilled with

1445
00:50:12,549 --> 00:50:09,359
that

1446
00:50:16,390 --> 00:50:12,559
yeah croatia

1447
00:50:18,630 --> 00:50:16,400
taiwan germany

1448
00:50:19,910 --> 00:50:18,640
jay that's amazing more than that i i

1449
00:50:21,829 --> 00:50:19,920
don't remember all of them

1450
00:50:23,270 --> 00:50:21,839
but well i posted your picture on

1451
00:50:25,430 --> 00:50:23,280
facebook and

1452
00:50:27,109 --> 00:50:25,440
i had some requests they said they can't

1453
00:50:28,630 --> 00:50:27,119
wait to listen to the podcast so

1454
00:50:29,990 --> 00:50:28,640
great i'm really glad you know it was

1455
00:50:31,670 --> 00:50:30,000
really tough to meet up with you you're

1456
00:50:32,069 --> 00:50:31,680
so busy here everybody wanting to talk

1457
00:50:35,190 --> 00:50:32,079
to you

1458
00:50:36,630 --> 00:50:35,200
well what can i say yeah so anyway it's

1459
00:50:38,309 --> 00:50:36,640
been great so great to meet you martin

1460
00:50:38,870 --> 00:50:38,319
and thanks for doing the great podcast

1461
00:50:40,710 --> 00:50:38,880
that you do

1462
00:50:42,230 --> 00:50:40,720
i really appreciate the work you do i'm

1463
00:50:43,030 --> 00:50:42,240
so glad you came here to interview

1464
00:50:46,150 --> 00:50:43,040
people here

1465
00:50:51,589 --> 00:50:46,160
yeah and um keep on doing it yeah

1466
00:50:58,069 --> 00:50:55,030
jose lai from chile how are you

1467
00:50:58,630 --> 00:50:58,079
i'm fine well it's so great to meet in

1468
00:51:00,630 --> 00:50:58,640
person

1469
00:51:02,710 --> 00:51:00,640
and we've had a lot of great talks since

1470
00:51:05,589 --> 00:51:02,720
uh since we've been here

1471
00:51:07,349 --> 00:51:05,599
oh well it is my pleasure in the first

1472
00:51:10,470 --> 00:51:07,359
place to meet you again

1473
00:51:13,190 --> 00:51:10,480
yeah come on chance we're shaking hands

1474
00:51:13,750 --> 00:51:13,200
a little behind the scenes here so how

1475
00:51:17,750 --> 00:51:13,760
did you

1476
00:51:21,470 --> 00:51:17,760
have a really good response

1477
00:51:24,870 --> 00:51:21,480
yes very much yeah i never been

1478
00:51:27,190 --> 00:51:24,880
congratulated so many times in my life

1479
00:51:29,510 --> 00:51:27,200
that's wonderful there's no better

1480
00:51:33,109 --> 00:51:29,520
example in my opinion

1481
00:51:37,190 --> 00:51:33,119
of any country doing what you're doing

1482
00:51:38,790 --> 00:51:37,200
well i think here this conference gave

1483
00:51:42,710 --> 00:51:38,800
me the chance

1484
00:51:44,549 --> 00:51:42,720
yeah to reassure me

1485
00:51:45,750 --> 00:51:44,559
and i'm going to bring the message back

1486
00:51:48,950 --> 00:51:45,760
home

1487
00:51:51,670 --> 00:51:48,960
that we we are doing the right job

1488
00:51:53,430 --> 00:51:51,680
yeah in the right way well we'll you'll

1489
00:51:54,150 --> 00:51:53,440
be able to show them the dvd in a couple

1490
00:51:56,470 --> 00:51:54,160
of weeks

1491
00:51:57,829 --> 00:51:56,480
oh yes i hope so that'll be proof but

1492
00:51:58,950 --> 00:51:57,839
they'll have to learn how to speak

1493
00:52:01,589 --> 00:51:58,960
english right

1494
00:52:01,990 --> 00:52:01,599
no they everyone in my office speaks

1495
00:52:04,549 --> 00:52:02,000
english

1496
00:52:06,309 --> 00:52:04,559
is that right yes that's right now you

1497
00:52:07,349 --> 00:52:06,319
know i never realized this until you

1498
00:52:09,030 --> 00:52:07,359
showed

1499
00:52:11,270 --> 00:52:09,040
up on the screen there that chile is

1500
00:52:14,069 --> 00:52:11,280
such a long skinny country

1501
00:52:15,109 --> 00:52:14,079
oh yes and how many miles is the length

1502
00:52:19,270 --> 00:52:15,119
oh my god

1503
00:52:23,270 --> 00:52:19,280
it's all coastline yes you can imagine

1504
00:52:24,150 --> 00:52:23,280
we begin with a desert the driest desert

1505
00:52:27,030 --> 00:52:24,160
in the world

1506
00:52:27,510 --> 00:52:27,040
and we end up down in the antarctic

1507
00:52:30,630 --> 00:52:27,520
which is

1508
00:52:31,990 --> 00:52:30,640
eternal ice i i just you know i i

1509
00:52:33,750 --> 00:52:32,000
thought i knew most of south america

1510
00:52:35,589 --> 00:52:33,760
what it looked like but i just forgot

1511
00:52:37,670 --> 00:52:35,599
all about chile being waiters

1512
00:52:38,710 --> 00:52:37,680
now where is the telescopes is that the

1513
00:52:40,870 --> 00:52:38,720
northern part by the time

1514
00:52:42,470 --> 00:52:40,880
the northern part of the country yes the

1515
00:52:44,390 --> 00:52:42,480
picture that you showed

1516
00:52:45,670 --> 00:52:44,400
with um you could see the milky way

1517
00:52:47,510 --> 00:52:45,680
above the cactus

1518
00:52:49,109 --> 00:52:47,520
yes was that a real picture yes of

1519
00:52:49,910 --> 00:52:49,119
course of course i can't believe the

1520
00:52:53,190 --> 00:52:49,920
sky's there

1521
00:52:56,950 --> 00:52:53,200
well you can you can go in

1522
00:52:59,910 --> 00:52:56,960
google or whatever and

1523
00:53:01,430 --> 00:52:59,920
take images from the north of chile and

1524
00:53:02,790 --> 00:53:01,440
you are going to see very similar

1525
00:53:05,510 --> 00:53:02,800
skyline like the one i

1526
00:53:06,390 --> 00:53:05,520
showed that was just beautiful it's

1527
00:53:09,750 --> 00:53:06,400
beautiful

1528
00:53:10,470 --> 00:53:09,760
yes now where in geographically where is

1529
00:53:12,710 --> 00:53:10,480
your main

1530
00:53:14,069 --> 00:53:12,720
office in that big long strip of country

1531
00:53:16,309 --> 00:53:14,079
it is just about

1532
00:53:17,829 --> 00:53:16,319
in the middle but that that's the

1533
00:53:20,470 --> 00:53:17,839
convenience yes that's

1534
00:53:21,510 --> 00:53:20,480
very convenient yeah yeah i thought it

1535
00:53:23,349 --> 00:53:21,520
was pretty funny you were

1536
00:53:24,710 --> 00:53:23,359
talking about you had your alien and you

1537
00:53:27,510 --> 00:53:24,720
had your oh yes

1538
00:53:29,109 --> 00:53:27,520
yeah and well we keep that jarred alien

1539
00:53:31,030 --> 00:53:29,119
in their office a little green

1540
00:53:32,470 --> 00:53:31,040
thing it is really you have a good sense

1541
00:53:36,230 --> 00:53:32,480
of humor oh

1542
00:53:41,270 --> 00:53:36,240
we all have a good sense of humor in

1543
00:53:44,549 --> 00:53:44,069
i guess that's gonna be it for us all

1544
00:53:46,390 --> 00:53:44,559
right

1545
00:53:48,069 --> 00:53:46,400
well thanks so much uh it's been a real

1546
00:53:50,069 --> 00:53:48,079
pleasure meeting you you're a lot of fun

1547
00:53:52,150 --> 00:53:50,079
i i'd like to hang out with you i hope

1548
00:53:54,630 --> 00:53:52,160
we we can repeat this

1549
00:53:55,910 --> 00:53:54,640
and we do it again okay me too okay we

1550
00:53:56,790 --> 00:53:55,920
do it again so i want to see what's

1551
00:53:59,750 --> 00:53:56,800
going on in there

1552
00:54:01,829 --> 00:53:59,760
we do it properly yes okay all right

1553
00:54:04,309 --> 00:54:01,839
take care it will be my pleasure mata

1554
00:54:04,870 --> 00:54:04,319
yes thank you my pleasure that's it for

1555
00:54:06,230 --> 00:54:04,880
today

1556
00:54:08,309 --> 00:54:06,240
thanks for listening remember i'll be

1557
00:54:09,430 --> 00:54:08,319
feeding in those short clips of other

1558
00:54:12,150 --> 00:54:09,440
interviewees

1559
00:54:13,710 --> 00:54:12,160
and future podcasts don't forget to

1560
00:54:15,430 --> 00:54:13,720
check out our website

1561
00:54:16,549 --> 00:54:15,440
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1562
00:54:18,549 --> 00:54:16,559
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1563
00:54:19,589 --> 00:54:18,559
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1564
00:54:22,230 --> 00:54:19,599
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1565
00:54:24,549 --> 00:54:22,240
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1566
00:54:26,710 --> 00:54:24,559
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